Confrontation in Alabama with a 'True Chickenhawk' UPDATED

I've updated with comments, finds, and graphics from 2 Daily Kos diaries I posted there. You can view them Here, the first, and Here, the second. With more in the comment area's.




We have a young man, who first confronts Cindy Sheehan, a 'GoldStar Mother', than attacks a Brother Vietnam Veteran, one who fought in that conflict and knows Wars of Choice and opposes what is going on now, telling him he if he hates America, and is collecting Service Connected Disability, he shouldn't be getting what is owed him, for that service to Country. If he was wounded in battle, physically or mentally.

Not knowing if this brother 'Nam Vet is on Service Connected Disability.

So this civilian must think No Veteran Deserves Service Connected Disability unless said Vets Agree With Him.

Than he first claims, at 31 and loving gwb {and looking physically fit, a tad overweight though} doesn't know he can join up til age 42, that the military doesn't want him{?}!

But if bush asked he'd go, go for it little georgie, grab him, cannon fodder for the Neo-Cons, cheney'll give him a hug.

Than tries to spin his way out of that.

This while Military Personal are Serving Multiple Tours, he is making no attempts to join and serve in a War He Wants Others To Fight in, that he Supports but won't!!

UPDATED
I posted the above over at Daily Kos and a few there did quick search's and found out abit of information, one of which is this:

The 'brave 31yr old civilian' going after Cindy than pointing fingers at my Brother 'Nam Vets is the Secretary of the Montgomery County Republican Club:
Secretary
Chris Vucovich
Check it out



{These two graphics are from tiganatoo's photos, and there's plenty more.}



and JohnGor0 commented to kraant's reply with:

How is it

some guy can just log onto the internet, and in 5 minutes, or so, can find out that he's part of a republican club, but journalists don't know how to do that?

Great work and giving Credit where Credit is due, a Great find and comment!

But there's more

JohnGor0 also found a fluff piece on good ole Chris Vucovich.

Area man in spotlight after Sheehan confrontation

Chris Vucovich had been having a bad week, and the last thing on his mind was becoming part of a national news story.

Right!!

He had surgery earlier in the week to remove kidney stones

Maybe wanting a way to get the blood flowing for quicker healing, ya think.

He decided to stop to hear what was going on

Surprise! Surprise!! While driving by he came upon Cindy Sheehan and 'Nam Vets, amoung others, and with a few minutes on his hands decided to stop, O.K., I'll buy that, nawwwwww.

Vucovich is a student of history as well as journalism, and 1975 has special meaning for him. That's the year he was born. It's also the year North Vietnamese troops marched into South Vietnam and took over the country.

A student of history he is, and in confronting my Brother 'Nam Vets he did exactly what most of the country did back than, Verbally Spit {by the way, that's where the bunk tales of actual spitting derived from} on them!

But in the fluff piece one gets the idea he really cares about Vietnam Veterans, Veterans, Active Duty Military in Iraq and Afganistan, Vietnamesse and Iraq citizens.

Well actions and words tell more than a printed news article, as shown in the video!

The fluff mentions the 15min. of fame, I'm extending that some.

This is a great example of what I read on the few boards I belong to, where there's a few defenders of the administration and repugs in congress and in general. Prior to the last election I started passing some of their comments on to folks I knew who were registered repubs, and liked to brag about that especially as to the previous Presidential office holder. But I knew these folks had some brain matter still working. They were starting to understand what was going on, add extremely hypocritical {and totally stupid} comments from deep seated supporters royally embarassed these folks, knowing they were being seen in the same light. A whole bunch flipped registration to Independant and gave up the information they Voted Democratic. Now saying they will stay Indies and are fed up with what's happened to their once political party, for it's no longer that ideology but just a name.

Now Chris is not only a student of history and an ex-student of journalism, we find out what he does now Thanks to marine retired who posted in this reply:

Typical all mouth,no action BushBot!

The overweight Financial Planner from Birmingham Ala,also yelled out that he was needed here to pay taxes! The vet that he was dissing for collecting a check from the Gov. had a lot more composure than this 100% Disabled, Retired Marine would of had!

But that's what fat-ass slackers like Chris want,someone to physically attack them then, they'll play the victim! Rest assured in my case, he'd of been a victim,he'd be a real hurting victim!

Google his name with Financial Planner after it!

Which is also mentioned in the fluff piece.

This 'Non Sequitur' cartoon fits ole Chris:

Now I wonder how many he is Advising, in doing their Financial Planning, are Profitting off of the Blood of our Soldiers and the Innocents, how many are 'War Profitteering', and how much is he getting in return for his advice, just wondering.

Would hope he's not pointing folks to No-Bid Government Contractors.

There were some great comments but there's just one more that really needs reading as well as being archived more, on these boards, to make the point.

labradog wrote the following:

E-mail to the Montgomery County Republicans!

At their website, they invite you to send in events for their calendar. So I e-mailed them:

Here's a really big event that's missing from your calendar:

The day Chris Vucovich takes the oath to enlist in the army, so he can fight in the war in Iraq that he tells us is so important.

Sure, he's a flabby slice of ignorant white bread right now, but a sign up and a few tours in Iraq should get rid of those man-boobs, and may even get his testicles to descend, or regenerate.

Which is it, by the way? Did someone cut off his gonads, and that's why he can't fight in the war he wants the rest of us to join, or are they undescended, and thus hiding - like Chris himself?

Another sniveling GOP coward/bully.

Anybody else want to congradulate the Montgomery County Republicans?

Feel Free!!

If they were sent to fight, they are too few. If they were sent to die, they are too many!

Is 'Funding' Really For Troops?

What Happened To Funding and Oversite For Military/Veteran Care In Previous Congresses?

Stop the War: Impeachment, Now!

Anti-Iraqi War and Pro-Impeachment activists are featured in this photo collage with a voice-over track. Extracted comments spotlight various speakers at public events over the last few years. On it, you will hear, in the order of their appearance: Cynthia McKinney, a Democrat, and former member of the U.S. Congress from the state of Georgia; Peace Mom, Cindy Sheehan; David Swanson, cofounder of AfterDowningStreet.org; Elizabeth Holtzman, attorney, author and champion of the impeachment process; the splendid Celt, the Hon. George Galloway, MB; and John Nichols, an author and popular columnist for "The Nation" magazine. Visit AfterDowningStreet for much more needed info on Impeachment!


Benchmark Boogie:

A Guide to the Struggle Over Iraq's Oil

Your guide to the ongoing dance between Bush, the Congress, and the Iraqi government; an update on the current status of the proposed oil laws; and some steps you can take to stop the hijacking of Iraq's oil.

USED UP AND SPIT OUT

THE PERSONALITY DISORDER DISCHARGE

*The Other War UPDATED

* The Other War: Iraq Veterans Speak Out on Shocking Accounts of Attacks on Iraqi Civilians *

The Nation magazine has published a new expose of 50 American combat veterans of the Iraq War who give vivid on-the-record accounts of the
US military occupation in Iraq and describe a brutal side of the war rarely seen on television screens or chronicled in newspaper accounts.
The investigation marks the first time so many on-the-record, named eyewitnesses from within the US military have been assembled in one
place to openly corroborate assertions of indiscriminate killings and other atrocities by the US military in Iraq.
In studio we speak with the article¹s co-author, journalist Laila Al-Arian, and four Iraq veterans who came forward with their stories of war.

Listen/Watch/Read

* Iraq War Vets Describe "Brutal Techniques" Used by U.S. Military Against Iraqi Civilians *

Two Iraq war veterans, Sgt. John Bruhns and Spc. Garett Reppenhagen recount their experience in Iraq, particularly describe the brutal house raids they
conducted on a regular basis in Iraq. Spc. Reppenhagen says, "you could see The frustration on [the Iraqi's] faces, the anger, the sadness, the worry,
the fear. You know, it was very hard to see the faces of the Iraqi people when you took their family members away...especially when you know most of
the time you have bad intelligence and you are raiding the house that usually the people inside are innocent."

Listen/Watch/Read

* If Soldiers Came From Another Country And Did This To My Family, I Would Be An Insurgent Too² ­ War Vet Describes Iraq House Raid *

From Denver, Staff Sergeant Timothy John Westphal, who served in Iraq for one year, recalls raiding a sprawling farm on the outskirts of Tikrit in 2004 and the
Screams he can still hear of the man he woke up inside. Sgt. Westphal says, 'he was so terrified and so afraid for his family. I thought of my family at
The time and thought 'If I was the patriarch of the family, if soldiers came from another country and did this to my family, I would be an insurgent too.'
We also speak with Sgt. Dustin Flatt who describes unarmed civilians being shot or run over by U.S. Military convoys.

Listen/Watch/Read

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Tonight On ABC Night Line

Thursday, July 12, 2007 -

Iraq War Veterans
Bob Woodruff has an exclusive report tonight on how some injured Iraq War veterans are being treated when they come home. Bob talks with two discharged soldiers who say they've been severely affected by their combat experience, and that now the Army is denying them their disability benefits, claiming the soldiers had pre-existing personality disorders. You'll also meet another veteran who has been documenting all the cases of soldiers who were discharged for the same "personality disorder" and can't get help for injuries they incurred while serving their country in a war zone.

On ABC Right Now Questionable Treatment for Some Iraq Heroes

Veteran Care Under Review as More Than 22,000 Are Discharged With 'Pre-Existing' Personality Disorder, Which Some Say Developed During War
Here's The Video Link of above report.

Dave Matthews Band Has posted a petition on their site to confront the personality disorder scandal. Please sign the petition.

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From IAVA

The statistics are shocking: more than 11,000 soldiers have been wounded by roadside bombs; more than 50,000 have sought treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder; and 150,000 have submitted a claim for disability. Undiagnosed brain injuries-serious concussions that can cause memory loss, vision problems, and even depression-are affecting as many as 300,000 troops who have come home.

But when you look at the numbers, it's easy to forget that they represent individual stories: lives put on hold, families under strain-above all, tremendous personal sacrifice.

This month, I had the opportunity to write the introduction for an in-depth multimedia cover story featuring eleven young veterans, many of them IAVA members. The story was published in GOOD Magazine, and the short, powerful interview clips are now available on the magazine's website.

Take a few minutes to watch these clips now, and pass them on to your friends.

On these pages you'll hear the stories of some of these heroes - a successful lawyer who left his practice to train the Iraqi police force, an activist who ended up homeless only months after driving fuel trucks in Iraq, an actor who put his career on hold to join the Marines after 9/11.

These clips show you the diversity of today's veterans-but they also suggest what they have in common. These veterans have stories that must be heard. The best reporting from the war in Iraq has come from the troops themselves-the people who saw it first-hand.

For the many Americans for whom the Iraq War has required little or no personal commitment, and especially for the politicians in Washington whose choices affect the lives of our troops every day, these videos should be required viewing.

Click here to watch them now.

Thank you for your continued support.

Sincerely,

Paul Rieckhoff
Iraq Veteran
Executive Director
Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America

The Other War

The Nation has an 11 page investigative report that opens a window into what goes on in a War Theater of Operation.

Those who have served in Combat Theaters, as myself, be they Combat Troops or Support know full well what is going on around them and in the theaters of those operations, words and actions travel fast.

And the ones that know the reality even better are the Citizens who live in these countries that are turned into the realities of Hell's on Earth. They know what happens almost instantly after it has occurred.

The investigative report is called The Other War: Iraq Vets Bear Witness

And starts with this:

Over the past several months The Nation has interviewed fifty combat veterans of the Iraq War from around the United States in an effort to investigate the effects of the four-year-old occupation on average Iraqi civilians. These combat veterans, some of whom bear deep emotional and physical scars, and many of whom have come to oppose the occupation, gave vivid, on-the-record accounts. They described a brutal side of the war rarely seen on television screens or chronicled in newspaper accounts.

Want to find out who our troops are really fighting in Iraq, go over and read the report.

Want to find out why the insurgency, in their own country, doesn't wane, go over and read the report.

Want to find out why there is growing numbers of military personal, once again, showing and feeling the results of Combat PTSD, go over and read the report.

Court cases, such as the ones surrounding the massacre in Haditha and the rape and murder of a 14-year-old in Mah­mudiya, and news stories in the Washington Post, Time, the London Independent and elsewhere based on Iraqi accounts have begun to hint at the wide extent of the attacks on civilians. Human rights groups have issued reports, such as Human Rights Watch's Hearts and Minds: Post-war Civilian Deaths in Baghdad Caused by U.S. Forces, packed with detailed incidents that suggest that the killing of Iraqi civilians by occupation forces is more common than has been acknowledged by military authorities.

Want to find out why there willbe major Blowback from the failed policies over these last 5yrs., go over and read the report.

Want to find out what multible tours are doing to normal human beings, far beyond what military training could ever accomplish in totally restructuring ones mind, go over and read the report, and keep in the front of your mind what it is doing to the residents of that once country and society.

Want to get a window into what this country, and others, will be facing in the coming future, and probably for decades beyond, go over and read the report.

And when whatever is coming comes, don't ask the question of 9/11 "Why do they hate us so?", know the answer, as we should have, from our past policies, well before 9/11!!

It's Summer or bush's Numbers are Down

This was just on ABC News:

Al Qaeda Cell in the U.S. Or On Its Way, According to New Intel

Senior U.S. intelligence officials tell ABC News new intelligence from Afghanistan suggests a small al Qaeda cell is on its way to the United States, or may already be here.

Top intelligence and law enforcement officials have been told to assemble in the Situation Room to report on:

--what steps can be taken to minimize or counter the threat,

--and what steps are being taken to harden security for government buildings and personnel.

Who'd a thunk they followed us home before our troops got here!

Or....
Could the 'Commander Guy' be ready to make a Major Speach on Iraq?????

Hummmmmmmm!

Service, Sacrifice Must Include Privileged

Morning Edition, July 10, 2007 · Scholars Charles Moskos, professor emeritus at Northwestern University, and Chris Gelpi, political science instructor at Duke University, discuss military service and public opinion.

Listen To Report

About The Troops

Talkin' 'bout my generation
By Franke Gracia
Special to the Star-Telegram

I grew up idolizing the members of my family who belonged to the "Greatest Generation." In the company of these men, I always felt as if I were in the presence of royalty.
I didn't think anything would ever sway my opinion of these WWII veterans, but I now have a new perspective.

Returning vets could become part of ominous national trend
SUICIDE: Health officials expect surge in need for care as tours end.

As bad as the suicide rate in Alaska already is, the situation could grow even worse once thousands of new veterans return home from combat duty in Iraq.

Iraq war veteran now fighting a different battle
Rob Timmins advocates for those who fought in the Mideast and may suffer long-term mental health problems

Three months before 9/11, Rob Timmins of Annadale enlisted, signing up with the U.S. Army at the recruiting office on Bay Street in St. George.
At 25, after stints in college and at odd jobs, including bartending, he was looking for a foothold. He figured the Army was it.

No court-martial for soldier with PTSD

An Iraq war veteran will not be court-martialed for leaving his post without permission for 15 months to undergo treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder, the Army said.
Instead of facing a bad conduct discharge - a felony punishable by up to a year in military prison - Spc. Eugene Cherry admitted he was absent without leave and was granted a general discharge, rather than an honorable discharge, the Army said Friday.

VA Transition Advocates Ready to Help Wounded Warriors Get Care, Benefits

Chief Petty Officer Richard “Buzz” Bryan isn’t afraid of a fight. A Navy corpsman, he served in two deployments to Iraq with the Marines, including one during the Battle of Fallujah.

The American Revolution, Mr pResident?

The rove Revisionist History machine should hire Real Historians instead of attempting Propaganda when there is so much out there that it cannot simply be wiped out, unless we All become the Sheople they seek!

They have been doing this long before they started voicing the phrase “Revisionist History” and trying to tag to their opposition, everyone that raises even asimple question against, even their own!

They seem to want to forget that the ‘American Revolution’ was fought on these shores when others Invaded and the young nation ‘America’ dropped their pitchforks and picked up their muskets to fight off the Invasion and Occupation!

Should we now call our forefathers al Queda or Terrorists, how about Radical Insurgence fighting because they wanted to crush the Freedoms of those who Invaded!

Here’s the ‘Independence Day’ message from the pResident as posted on the Peoples House website, i.e. the ‘White House’.
Independence Day, 2007


And here’s the rove revisionist history speach, written for the pResident and givin, while using Military Personal as Props, again, on this past ‘Independence Day’.
President Bush Celebrates Independence Day With West Virginia Air National Guard

As a matter of fact, I would like to read a couple of paragraphs from a 1777 newspaper. And here's what it said on the first anniversary of the Declaration, as it described the scene in Philadelphia:
"The 4th of July was celebrated with joy and festivity, fine performances, a number of toasts, followed by a discharge of artillery and small arms" -- don't do that today. (Laughter.) "And at night there was a grand exhibition of fireworks and the city was beautifully illuminated." This newspaper article from Philadelphia in 1777 went on to say: "Thus may that glorious and memorable day be celebrated through America by the sons of freedom, from age to age till time shall be no more." We're still celebrating, and rightly so.

Now they visited an article written for the first ‘Independence Day’ in 1777, lets also visit two speaches, givin in 1777 in the British ‘House Of Lords’. But first you can find out abit more about who gave those speaches if you so desire.

William Pitt, 1st Earl of Chatham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

William Pitt, 1st Earl of Chatham PC (15 November 1708 – 11 May 1778) was a British Whig statesman who achieved his greatest fame as Secretary of State during the Seven Years' War {aka French and Indian War} and who was later Prime Minister of Great Britain. He is often known as William Pitt the Elder to distinguish him from his son, William Pitt the Younger, who served as Prime Minister from 1783–1801 and from 1804 to his death in 1806. He was also known as The Great Commoner. The major American city of Pittsburgh was named after him. Also, Pittsylvania County, Virginia, the smaller community of Pittsburg, New Hampshire and Chatham University {since he was Earl of Chatham} are named in his honour. Chatham, NJ is also named after him.

Now to the speaches.

ON A MOTION FOR AN ADDRESS TO THE CROWN, TO PUT A STOP TO HOSTILITIES IN AMERICA
DELIVERED IN THE HOUSE OF LORDS.
MAY 30, 1777
INTRODUCTION

MAY 30, 1777.LORD CHATHAM had now been prevented by his infirmities from taking his place in the House of Lords for more than two years. Anxious to make one effort more for ending the contest with America, he made his appearance in the House on the 30th of May, 1777, wrapped in flannels, and supported on crutches, and moved an address to the King, recommending that speedy and effectual measures be taken to put an end to the war between the colonies and the mother country. He spoke as follows:

It is difficult for government, after all that has passed, to shake hands with defiers of the King, defiers of the Parliament, defiers of the people. I am a defier of nobody; but if an end is not put to this war, there is an end to this country. I do not trust my judgment in my present state of health; this is the judgment of my better days--the result of forty years' attention to America. They are rebels; but for what? Surely not for defending their unquestionable rights! What have these rebels done heretofore?

You may ravage--you can not conquer; it is impossible; you can not conquer the Americans.

What you have sent there are too many to make peace--too few to make war. If you conquer them, what then? You can not make them respect you; you can not make them wear your cloth; you will plant an invincible hatred in their breasts against you. Coming from the stock they do, they can never respect you.

ON A MOTION FOR AN ADDRESS TO THE THRONE, AT THE OPENING OF PARLIAMENT.
DELIVERED IN THE HOUSE OF LORDS.
NOVEMBER 18, 1777
INTRODUCTION

THIS Was Lord Chatham's greatest effort. Though sinking under the weight of years and disease, he seems animated by all the fire of youth. It would, indeed, be difficult to find in the whole range of parliamentary history a more splendid blaze of genius, at once rapid, vigorous, and sublime.

My Lords, this ruinous and ignominious situation, where we can not act with success, nor suffer with honor, calls upon us to remonstrate in the strongest and loudest language of truth, to rescue the ear of majesty from the delusions which surround it. The desperate state of our arms abroad is in part known. No man thinks more highly of them than I do. I love and honor the English troops. I know their virtues and their valor. I know they can achieve any thing except impossibilities; and I know that the conquest of English America is an impossibility. You can not, I venture to say it, you can not conquer America. Your armies last war effected every thing that could be effected; and what was it? It cost a numerous army, under the command of a most able general [Lord Amherst], now a noble Lord in this House, a long and laborious campaign, to expel five thousand Frenchmen from French America. My Lords, you can not conquer America. What is your present situation there? We do not know the worst; but we know that in three campaigns we have done nothing and suffered much. Besides the sufferings, perhaps total loss of the Northern force,3 the best appointed army that ever took the field, commanded by Sir William Howe, has retired from the American lines. He was obliged to relinquish his attempt, and with great delay and danger to adopt a new and distant plan of operations. We shall soon know, and in any event have reason to lament, what may have happened since. As to conquest, therefore, my Lords, I repeat, it is impossible. You may swell every expense and every effort still more extravagantly; pile and accumulate every assistance you can buy or borrow; traffic and barter with every little pitiful German prince that sells and sends his subjects to the shambles of a foreign prince; your efforts are forever vain and impotent--doubly so from this mercenary aid on which you rely; for it irritates, to an incurable resentment, the minds of your enemies, to overrun them with the mercenary sons of rapine and plunder, devoting them and their possessions to the rapacity of hireling cruelty! If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms--never--never--never.

Lets return to the present now.

Many have written and spoken about what is happening today, and everyday in the present, in not one but two Countries we have invaded.

A recent speach by an Iraqi American, Dr. Dahlia Wasfi, who has many extended family members living in the Hell on Earth we created, puts much of the present, and recent past, into context. Watch it and learn.

Dr. Dahlia Wasfi - Life in Iraq Under U.S. Occupation
Shortages; lack of electricity; potable water; tanks rolling through the streets night and day; gunfire and explosions. Iraqi health care in shambles. 200 bodies turn up daily in the Baghdad morgue. For Iraqis, it's 9/11 every day.
07/07/07


There’s alot of long history attached to all that has been happening in our present. The hatreds have built over time and unleashed into a long running past of Criminal Terrorism against those who supported Criminal Dictators and Suppressed the Masses of the innocents in many parts of this planet we call Earth!

Criminal Terrorism has been in play long before what happened on 9/11, in this Country, and visited these shores even before that devestating day.

European countries have felt the destruction and death from Criminal Terrorism because of their past of Empire Building attached to Surpression of the innocents in the countries they tried to control.

And because of this countries long list of failed foreign policies, especially the backing of brutal dictators, American interests and citizens have felt the same destruction and death oversea’s as well as on these shores.

It’s an extremely vicious cycle that now has been Enhanced with our Total Devestation of a people, and country, that did nothing to deserve the Death and Destruction! The cycle now will continue long into the future unless somehow All people can come together to put an end to what the few wage for Power and Wealth and their own Sick Ideologies!!

Declared Bill Ehrhart
A marine in Vietnam:

“In grade school we learned about the redcoats, the nasty British soldiers that tried to stifle our freedom…. Subconsciously, but not very subconsciously, I began
increasingly to have the feeling that I was a redcoat. I think it was one of the most staggering realizations of my life.”

The Greatest Lie In American History

“If we were to quit Iraq before the job is done, the terrorists we are fighting would not declare victory and lay down their arms. They would follow us here.”
George W. Bush
Speech given at West Virginia
Air National Guard
July 4, 2007

“If the United States cuts and runs in Vietnam, we will have a temporary peace and then a certain world war.”
Richard M. Nixon
Durham, N.C.
April 30, 1966

And as another brother 'Nam Vet answers:

Without exception, the war in Iraq is the greatest
lie in American history.
If the Bush administration
is not stopped, we will continue to see a slow moving
Rawanda throughout the Middle East.
I did not serve in Vietnam for the cause of freedom,
I served Big Business in America for the cause of profit.
Lying is the most powerful weapon in war.
For the love of oil is the root of all evil.
Mike Hastie
U.S. Army Medic
Vietnam 1970-71
July 4, 2007