Showing posts with label Three Trillion Dollar War. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Three Trillion Dollar War. Show all posts

Friday, March 07, 2008

If We Truly Face Up to What We’ve Done

Losing the future

by Robert C. Koehler
March 5, 2008

A certain reverence is required just to approach the book’s title: The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq Conflict
by noted economists Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Bilmes. I can see why they understated it.

The pulse of outrage beats behind the cold calculations in this concise volume, newly published by Norton. We’re not just “losing” this tragic, arrogantly unplanned war in the conventional sense of failing to subdue our enemies — we’re committing slow socioeconomic suicide with its open-ended pursuit, losing, as we plunge recklessly into debt over it, our options, our ability to choose. We’re losing the future.

“Because of the war, the national deficit is $2 trillion higher,” Stiglitz, who won the Nobel Prize in economics in 2001, told me. “At 5 percent interest, that’s $100 billion a year, year after year after year — forever!”

Such numbers are beyond the scope of the human imagination. To begin putting the war into financial perspective, Stiglitz suggested that we need a new unit of account: “Think of what things would cost in terms of hours, days, weeks of fighting.”

For instance, he said, “Three years ago we had a financial crisis with the Social Security system. For one-sixth of an Iraq war, you could have fixed Social Security for the next 50 to 75 years.”

Or how about health insurance for children? Remember when President Bush vetoed a bill to expand it? “We’re talking about days of fighting in Iraq,” Stiglitz said.

Or, hmm, what about the fact that suddenly one of every 150 children is being diagnosed with autism? The cost of serious research on this issue? “Four hours of an Iraq war!”

(Note: The American Friends Service Committee has a Web page devoted to the Iraq war as a unit of account. )

Before we begin a serious waltz with the current war numbers that Stiglitz and Bilmes force us to confront in their book, let’s ponder some far easier stats. Remember Gulf War I? We drove Saddam out of Kuwait, racking up huge kills in the process and sustaining a mere 148 of our own dead and another 467 injured. Combat operations lasted a month. What’s more, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait paid for most of it — it was practically a free war.

Except, as Stiglitz and Bilmes point out, in the aftermath of this quickie, yellow-ribbon-festooned war, vets started getting sick — started dying — of mysterious maladies that came to be called Gulf War Syndrome. Some 17 years later, “the United States still spends over $4.3 billion each year paying compensation, pension and disability benefits to more than 200,000 veterans of the Gulf War,” they write. “We have already spent over $50 billion in Gulf War I disability benefits.”

Almost two decades later, our tax dollars are still disappearing down the gaping maw of this monthlong war. Now, consider that the current Iraq war is five years old this month and counting (John McCain is ready to go at it for another hundred), and we’ve been in Afghanistan so far for six and a half years. The secret and terrible costs of these wars are growing, growing, growing; and they are exponentially greater than the still enormously expensive, and forgotten, Gulf War I.

Just the cost of care for physically and emotionally injured vets for these two protracted wars — in which our GIs are being forced to return for two, three and even more tours of duty — will run, the authors estimate, to more than $700 billion. And, they note, the care the government refuses to pay for doesn’t simply disappear as a cost. It falls on the families themselves. Someone pays it, so it’s part of the total.

Stiglitz and Bilmes do more than ferret out the operational, medical and other war costs hidden in various parts of the national budget. When they also factor in reasonable estimates of the macroeconomic costs (including interest on our staggering debt, the war-triggered increases in the price of oil), they are forced to add another $2 trillion to the cost of the war.

When they press on with their analysis and begin calculating the global costs as well — including such arcane and disconcerting calculations as the value of an Iraqi life figured, in terms of lost income generation, at 7 percent of an American life — suddenly there’s another $6 trillion. Add it up, if you dare, and you wind up in the neighborhood of $11 trillion. Helluva neighborhood.

But there’s more to the book than numbers. The authors are clearly aware that to a certain extent they are calculating the incalculable: the value of our lost national credibility (“We have become toxic”); the value of human life; the value of shattered hopes. For instance, “The majority of Iraqi children are not attending school,” they note at one point.

The authors move on, but this is where I’ll stop. If we truly face up to what we’ve done, we’ll never go to war again.

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Robert Koehler, an award-winning, Chicago-based journalist, is an editor at Tribune Media Services and nationally syndicated writer. You can respond to this column at bkoehler@tribune.com or visit his Web site at commonwonders.com. © 2008 Tribune Media Services, Inc.

Tuesday, March 04, 2008

"Support The Troops" Two, and This Vets Getting Royally Pissed AGAIN

The Origin of the VA Motto

To care for him
who shall have borne the battle
and for his widow, and his orphan


A couple of days ago I posted this Lets See Now, 'Supporting The Troops'

On a few boards, the link here goes to my site.

In the post I asked a question "Once again I'll ask, if we as a Country 'Support The Troops', why do We Make Those Same Troops and Veterans Jump through Hoops of Red Tape and Broken Promises to Seek That Support ?!!!!

I'm not going to go into what many of my 'Nam Brothers went through, upon returning and loooong after, it's easy to find the facts for those to young or not around than. For those old enough, well, most just plain weren't paying attention, and Now We're Repeating because of that!

We seem to love Wars Of Choice, some 70% were well into supporting the present debacle, which means many reading this were in that percentile, and when we have them it's seems very easy to put those who are sent to fight them Out Of Sight and Out Of Mind, as they return and Long After, especially those suffering from the Trauma's of War.

I say "AGAIN" in the subject title because I've watched what's happening now for all these years since returning from 'Nam and getting my discharge after 4yrs. to the present, not only for my brother and sister 'Nam Vets but for Korean Vets and all those since!

The Veterans Administration and VA Care is only as good as the Political Appointee running it, and the Monies Budgetted by Congress, the Peoples Representatives!
Most of those working in the VA system do great work and are extremely caring people, they can only do as much as they can with what this Country gives them and under the leadership of the Politics involved! Trouble is when the VA is mentioned, in the negative, they, like most hard working people, get the blame!

That blame lays at the feet of the People of this Country, it's Representatives, and in the present times a certain Political Party, that had Total Control, and Wanted to follow the ideology of a handful of misfits and extremely dangerous minds, Power Hungry and Extremely Greedy!

A book recently came out:

The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq Conflict
But hardly a whisper has been heard about a Congressional hearing in Washington last week on a topic that could have been drawn, in all its tragic monstrosity, from the theater of the absurd, about the consequences of these costs, which are like a cancer inside the American economy.

Already we are seeing large numbers of returning veterans showing up at V.A. hospitals for treatment, large numbers applying for disability and large numbers with severe psychological problems.”

Even the most basic wartime information is difficult to come by. Mr. Stiglitz, who has written a new book with Ms. Bilmes called “The Three Trillion Dollar War,” said they had to go to veterans’ groups, who in turn had to resort to the Freedom of Information Act, just to find out how many Americans had been injured in Iraq.
The $2 Trillion Nightmare


Yesterday, 3-03-08, on NPR's Fresh Air there was another interview with Linda Bilmes and Joseph Stiglitz, the authors of the book above. They interviewed each seperately with Ms Bilmes on first for abit over 20min.. In her interview she discusses the Military and Veterans Care issue that's in the book, This Is a Must Listen To Interview, if you missed the NPR show!

Linda Bilmes is a professor at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government. An expert on U.S. budgeting and public finance, she has written on financial and budgetary issues, including the cost of the Iraq War, veterans health and disability costs.

You can follow this link to the NPR interview with Ms Bilmes where you'll be able to listen and also read an Excerpt of the book, which gets into the Private Contractor issue.

Or you can visit later but listen to the report now with this link which brings up the NPR Player, again This is a Must listen to interview. Neither Ms Bilmes nor Mr Stiglitz are whistling dixie here, this is how We Treat The Veterans of This Country

On the second part of the show they interview Joseph Stiglitz the co-author of the book. Joseph Stiglitz is a Nobel-Prize-winning economist and founder of the branch of economics known as "The Economics of Information." He is a professor at Columbia University and the author of several books on international economics.

You can follow this link to the interview with Mr. Stiglitz where you'll be able to listen to the interview with him as well as find the same Excerpt from the book.

Or you can listen to this interview here covering many of the little known costs of the Debacle that we'll be paying for years, he talks about the cost of the private contractors, this is abit over 18min long!

Also yesterday, 3-03-08, A Hearing began in the Class Action Health Suit Against VA in San Francisco.
Lawyers for two veterans groups asked a judge Monday to order the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to overhaul its health system, especially its mental health treatment, to meet growing demand from soldiers returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan.


The groups suing are Veterans for Common Sense in Washington, which claims 11,500 members, and Santa Barbara-based Veterans United for Truth with 500 members.


Some more articles and reports about those Hearings:

30% of vets face stress disorder, doctor says

Judge calls hearing to ponder ordering VA to improve health care

VA under scrutiny for veteran suicides where you'll find this Video as well:


A few more articles:

Minnesota Marine's case is part of lawsuit against VA

Vets and crimes make for tough decisions

You'll find this article The cold price of hot blood at Salon.
Every nation that goes to war makes that war its religion. Wars are always holy, necessary and sacrosanct. That's why asking how much a war costs is blasphemous. It's like asking how much God is worth.


With all this talk about Experiance why is it the one supposedly without can see the Real Need and the Neglect:

Barack Obama Pledges 'Sacred Trust' with Veterans
All American Patriots (press release) - Taeby,NA,Sweden
Obama passed legislation to stop a VA review of closed PTSD cases that could have led to a reduction in veterans' benefits. * Obama passed an amendment to ...


Obama: ''We Will Not Leave Any of Our Veterans Behind''
PR-Inside.com (Pressemitteilung) - Wien,Austria
Obama passed an amendment to ensure that all service members returning from Iraq are properly screened for Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI). ...


He keeps Talking the Talk and he's got this Vets Vote and I'll hold his feet to the fire to Make Sure He Delivers!

Where was all the Experiance as the Drums of War were beating Louder and Louder and one Political Party Controlled, as to Making Sure we Learned the Lessons of the not so distant Past as to the results of War on those we send!

While calling out all of us who not only understood the obscene nature of what was to come, Shock and Awe and the Creation of Much More Hate thus placing our National Security, and that of other nations, into extreme jeopardy, as well as the future generations who will be dealing with the 'Blowback' from these times!

Experiance, you don't get Experiance out of Apathy and Denial!!

Friday, February 29, 2008

Democracy Now; EXCLUSIVE - The Three Trillion Dollar War:

This should be heard/watched by Many!

Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz and Harvard Economist Linda Bilmes on the True Cost of the US Invasion andOccupation of Iraq

read/watch/listen to more | digg story

Their book: The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq Conflict

One week after President Bush rejected charges the war in Iraq has hurt the
US economy, a new book puts a conservative estimate of the war¹s cost at $3
trillion so far. In their first national broadcast interview upon their
book¹s publication, Nobel laureate and former chief World Bank economist,
Joseph Stiglitz, and co-author Linda Bilmes of Harvard University say the
Bush administration has repeatedly low-balled the cost of the war‹and even
kept a second set of records hidden from the American public.